Alternative for GIN-GLIDERS

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Alternative for GIN-GLIDERS

Submitted by Anonymous


Are there already other manufactors of speedflying equipment?I tried speed flying yesterday and i enjoyed it very much, but 1700€ for GIN Nano + hanrness is simply to much for me!So, I am interessted in alternatives?

Can you help me?

greets from Austria!


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Submitted by Anonymous

No, the Flysurfer Taco is not suitable for SF. Mr. Harich has written that on the forums...

I would recommend to buy a used wing, but then you get a real Speedflyer.

I would not use that trainers.



Submitted by Borge on March 13, 2006 - 3:22pm.

1500Euro for the 14m one by the way
Erlend Madsen


would it also be possible to include some technical details/specs. on the linked web page ?


Submitted by NervuresUK on March 14, 2006 - 3:18pm.

I have finished the first bit of English translation for the Swoop.

here it is

Good Flying


Submitted by kitesurfa on March 13, 2006 - 3:21pm.

Google Translation of their web page...

Certain desires are born from meetings.
It was the case for Swoop, born from the meeting of the Nervures team and the TEAM of Soul Flyers.

The photograph of Valley Montand taking off of the top of the Mount Blanc under a kite of 13m2 challenged us on the future of the flight mountain. And if in a few years one managed to take off with foot under microscopic wings not weighing nothing, and offering good characteristics of flight?

During the year 2005, drawing from our experiment of the hybrid parachutes of performance, we explored several track. We finally concentrated on the development of a model specifically intended for the speed riding (flight with skis close to the slope).

The very clean, tended and structured aerofoil (diagonal) confers is our Swoop of qualities speed and acceleration quite different from what one can feel under a parachute of jump. Slips with the round-off is extraordinary and allows flares XXL without resorting obligatorily to a committed turn (hook turn).

Trimmée, Swoop planed one interesting what widens its field of action. When the trimms are slackened, one makes it piqueuse to leisure and there, one enters another world.
It is even possible for a sporting pilot to take off and to land with foot under the 10m2, it is naturally easier under the 14m2.

We worked to return it this most accessible possible sail and the result is there: solid in turbulence, Swoop makes it possible to engage of the radical operations.

Swoop was developed in two sizes 10 and 14 m2.
It will be proposed with an informed public, through specific network of some instructors specialists in the discipline.


Nervures Swoop

Submitted by NervuresUK on March 13, 2006 - 3:20pm.


My name is Benjamin and I maintain the English version of Nervures' web site. I am currently translating the doc regarding the Swoop and I should have it finished tonight or maybe Monday.

Just to add to the earlier comment, the 10 m2 is for expert pilots, but the 14 m2 has been design to allow easy access to the activity.

Happy flying.



no english information....

Submitted by Borge on March 13, 2006 - 3:19pm.

I tried to find English information about the swoop on their web page..but no luck....;(

Erlend Madsen



Nervures Swoop

Submitted by mathias on March 13, 2006 - 3:19pm.

The Nervures Swoop 10m2 is only for expert paragliders!!! The swoop has more aspect ratio and more cells than the Nano. The break travels are very short. What impressed me a lot is how much speed this wing takes in turns. A nice toy for experts but not for everybody


Nervures Swoop

Submitted by Freeman on March 13, 2006 - 3:17pm.

There is also the Swoop by Nervures. Unfortunately, this wing is also expensive, about 1400€ for the 10m2 without the harness. I don't know the prize for the 14m2. Sad

More information :



Submitted by on March 13, 2006 - 3:15pm.

been doing more research
there are quiet a few other suitable canopies/wings

Daedalus - GLX
Icarus - Crossfire

expensive new, but 2nd hand is an option - But you do need to know what you are buying.



Submitted by Jaschomo on March 13, 2006 - 3:14pm.

Ok, thank you!

I'm looking forward to have many nice Speed-flying sessions this year!



No cheap alternatives...

Submitted by kitesurfa on March 13, 2006 - 3:13pm.

Not many alternatives that I know of. JN Hellracer is one but is the same price as the Nano - 1700€

The wings in the French videos are modified PF Springo's - New price also around 1700€

not sure about FS-Taco (FlySurfer) and if it is suitable (kite/paragliding groundtrainer) and surface area maybe too small - again similar price I guess.

other options are

Parachute similar to the Springo, Small Paraglider or Big Kite with suitable modifications for Speed Flying ?

Conclusion - NO cheap alternatives.



Submitted by ale liendo on March 13, 2006 - 3:13pm.



I have very old pair of skies so I have to look for a new pair.

What do you think will be better soft, stiff, long, short?
As we gonna hit the snow at high speeds probably stiff will have better control 160/170 cm sounds reasonable.

Suggestions welcome.


Submitted by Fastndeadly on February 24, 2007 - 8:41pm.


Greetings everyone!! I am a 13 year old boy weighing around 45 kilos interested in the firebird trainer! Now question number one: can i fly with this in nill winds ( im no.1 sprinter in my school) ok ok!!! you guys may think im a complete idiot but I do kite buggy and kitesurf. ive been tandem paragliding before ( and steered) i know alot but maybe a lot is not enough. in switzerland ive seen people with the nono gliders and swoop ( some modified kites too) i've really gotten into this sport and i live in austria so...i think there will be enough hils ( plus a good friend of mine is a paragliding teacher!) i've asked him and he just said yaya you can always use mine (very crappy things hat only flew like 20 feet) i decided i need m own since the firebird is the cheapest one i could find so far.. by the way does the firebird come with harness?? if not will the gin yeti be good? well hear from you guys soon i guess. sorry if this is in the wrong section of the forum!!!)= kk bye



Submitted by eden on March 20, 2006 - 7:50pm.

Have seen the firebird trainer on the hill with the school i trained with. I know for a fact that someone, no names, has flown one of these on a very windy day. He reported very twitchy handling and fast response. Bear in mind this is designed for ground handling only, so it says on the tin but rules are there to be pushed. Think they area about 12sq/m and cost £700 new without a harness. They have a low lift aerofoil section so you need high speed to generate the lift.


Submitted by ale liendo on April 7, 2006 - 3:10pm.


In Niviuk page " news" Not Specs yet, comes in three sizes, pictures


Submitted by eden on October 10, 2006 - 10:29am.

Hi People,

I have been searching the net madly trying to find something with the same speed as the Gin Nano but with a much better glide. There are two options available, they are the Nova Shockwave and the Nervures Swoop. The Shockwave is a 16m2 mini paraglider and has a glide around 1:6-1:7 and a top speed of about 65kph. The swoop comes in three sizes 10m2,14m2 and a 16m2. The glide is a claimed 1:5 but the wing has a higher top speed 75kmp-100kmp depending what size you go for. The swoop is going to be about two thirds the price of the Shockwave. So there will have to be a compromise on speed or cost.

The other grate thing about these wings is that they can be foot launched in nil wind, the 10m2 swoop I think is the exception.

I was after a wing I could use on the hill if the wind was to high for a regular paraglider but also a wing I could use for speed flying when I go away at winter. The only thing left to do is try both out. Watch this space.

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